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Project: Drupal.org webmasters
Component: Content moderation
Category: task
Priority: normal
-Assigned to: KiamLaLuno
+Assigned to: Anonymous
Status: active
Updated by: KiamLaLuno
KiamLaLuno
Original issue:
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Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 10:41 : KiamLaLuno
Textmate [1] contains no code in CVS repository, but it is hosted on a
external site.
It's not even a Drupal module, nor a theme; there is no reason for it
to be listed between the projects. It would make more sense to put a
reference to it in a book (if there is a book that suits an add-on for a
text editor).
[1] http://drupal.org/project/textmate
Previous comments (15):
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#1 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 18:19 : KiamLaLuno
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1871908
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#2 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 18:36 : psynaptic
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1871986
Moshe Witzman created this project, I am merely the current maintainer.
What reason do you have to remove this project? It is a Drupal project,
whether it has code in the repo or not, it is still a Drupal project.
I need to be able to deal with issues related to this project on d.o,
why do you need to remove it?
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#3 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 18:37 : greggles
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1871988
The original logic was that it's something valuable to the community
that doesn't make sense hosting here but for which we might
theoretically want to collect issues/discussion on drupal.org
Drupal/Textmate users are more likely to find it if it's hosted in both
places.
I think this is a case where an externally hosted set of files makes
sense, but I know that it's not 100% clear and would love to have better
rules for people.
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#4 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 18:47 : KiamLaLuno
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872060
Projects without code in repository, and which have been created more
than one year ago, are probably going to be removed (see #533492: 609
projects lack releases [2]).
Also, it's not allowed to create a project that is then not hosted on
Drupal.org; even if I find the bundle useful, I am not sure we should
make an exception to the normal rules followed. If this is the case,
then most of the maintainers who had their projects unpublished /
removed because they didn't host the project on Drupal.org would want
their projects back on Drupal.org.
[2] http://drupal.org/node/533492
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#5 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 18:55 : KiamLaLuno
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872100
This is a partial list of issues about projects not having commits in
CVS repository; the list is far to be complete.
* #501364: Theme devavrata (and sub-themes): no code and promotion to
offsite files [3]
* #531670: Unpublishing the 1024_v theme (no code, theme name starting
with numbers) [4]
* #262557: Unpublishing the 'A Blueprint Theme' - no theme available to
download [5]
[3] http://drupal.org/node/501364
[4] http://drupal.org/node/531670
[5] http://drupal.org/node/262557
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#6 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 19:06 : KiamLaLuno
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872158
"
I need to be able to deal with issues related to this project on d.o,
why do you need to remove it?
"
The Textmate bundle doesn't fall into any of the project types hosted
on Drupal.org. It's useful only to Mac users, while the projects hosted
on Drupal.org can be used on any platforms where Drupal can be installed
(which are all the platforms that can install PHP, and the PHP modules
Drupal requires).
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#7 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 19:13 : bonobo
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872202
-1 for removing this project.
See greggles comment above for the rationale for why it was created in
the first place, and why it should be left intact now.
RE: "It's useful only to Mac users" -- by that rationale, we should
also go and delete all documentation that explains how to create a dev
environment on the mac.
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#8 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 19:32 : KiamLaLuno
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872276
"
by that rationale, we should also go and delete all documentation that
explains how to create a dev environment on the mac.
"
It's not what I was saying, also because I was talking of projects, not
documentation.
The rule that a project without any commits, and where the code is
hosted on an external site has not been invented from me; the same is
true for the kind of projects that can be hosted on Drupal.org (which
doesn't include any shell scripts, just to make an example).
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#9 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 20:00 : bonobo
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872376
The thread you link to doesn't lay down any hard and fast rules, but
rather a set of guidelines -- and recent guidelines at that, given that
the thread is less than 48 hours old at this point.
This project has an active maintainer, doesn't violate any licensing
issues, and is of use to people.
Let it be.
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#10 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 20:06 : KiamLaLuno
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872386
"
This project has an active maintainer, doesn't violate any licensing
issues, and is of use to people.
"
That was true also for the other projects that has been unpublished /
removed because they didn't have code committed in CVS.
What I have reported are issues that have the same topic as this one,
and where different people have given the same motivation for
unpublishing / removing a project. I am sure all those projects were
used by people who found them useful (and the projects had an active
maintainer too).
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#11 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 20:22 : bonobo
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872414
Do what you want, but IMO, this is a bit overzealous.
RE: "That was true also for the other projects that has been
unpublished / removed because they didn't have code committed in CVS."
No, it's not.
The other projects you pointed to in #5 all were trying to game the
system in some way (ie, spammy, off-site links for SEO, using numbers in
theme names to game the listing in the themes list). And in the case of
the "A Blueprint Theme" the maintainer chimed in and said that the
project should be unpublished.
From #262557: Unpublishing the 'A Blueprint Theme' - no theme available
to download [6]:
"I have stopped working on "A Blueprint" theme project, as another
Blueprint theme was already in the works:
http://drupal.org/project/blueprint [7]
Please let me know if i shall remove/delete the project page, or if
it's better if Drupal.org webmasters do it(?).
"
That is not the voice of an active maintainer.
Contrast that with what psynaptic says in #2. This is a completely
different case.
Setting to postponed, as unpublishing the project of an active
contributor should not be done lightly.
[6] http://drupal.org/node/262557
[7] http://drupal.org/project/blueprint
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#12 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 21:01 : chx
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872488
The exception that strengthens the rule. If Moshe did it then it's
right. Period.
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#13 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 21:52 : moshe weitzman
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872612
You gotta love people who crawl around dark corners of open source
projects trying to find minor rule violations and bring them to justice.
Hello people. We have global warming. Human rights violations. Please
turn your zeal there. This project is a record in a database. Maybe 3 or
4 records. Do those records bug you? Meditate on why that might be.
Meanwhile, folks browsing the available projects can learn about this
bundle and begin contributing real code for the benefit of all.
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#14 -- Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 21:55 : psynaptic
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872620
Thanks guys, much appreciated!
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#15 -- Friday, July 31, 2009 - 00:42 : killes@www.drop.org
http://drupal.org/node/535622#comment-1872960
Is there any reason this project can just be maintained in our cvs?
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